This is one of the first things we had to worry about before trip ! And yes, no Road Trip without a vehicle ... For a moment we asked ourselves the question of importing our Volkswagen combi alias Toaster from France the time of the trip or from buy one on the spot, but it seemed to us more profitable in our case to take it directly there, among other things becausewe would surely keep it in the Americas thereafter. And more than three years later, we do not regret our choice at all.
So where are we started our research ?!
Et bien, vous vous en doutez, nous n’avons pas attendu d’être sur place pour commencer à regarder ce que l’on pouvez trouver là-bas et surtout à quel prix.
Quel que soit le type de véhicule ou van, et votre budget, voici où chercher :
The site, the reference is Kijiji ! The equivalent of our "leboncoin". There are ads across Canada and can be sorted by province and region. Very convenient because remember, it's great Canada ... You can put the site in French by clicking on the icon FR at the top right. The site is clear and well donethere is even a built-in messenger to easily chat with the sellers.
Second site, LesPAC : Honestly, we hang a little less with this one. There is a few less ads here and often duplicates with Kijiji but some in Quebec swear by him. Then you can find nuggets too. Not to neglect so in your research.
Third "site", Facebook Marketplace : It is widely used across the Atlantic, it is through this that we found "Bob" our Pick Up that was not on any other site.
So much for the websites that we advise you to use.
Let's move on to serious things now! VWe think we have found THE VAN, THE PERFECT VEHICLE.
Yes but it's on paper ...
One of the first things to know is that unlike France, there is no mandatory technical inspection pour réaliser une vente au Québec. Dans d’autres provinces c’est différent, en Ontario par exemple il faut en faire un.
Unless you have to do business with a mechanic, difficile de connaître l’état exact of the racing car before having seen it.
In other words, it is good to inquire before leaving but do not buy anything from a distance.
One of the points very (very) important to check here is rust! Winter is tough in Canada and the roads are hugely salty. If the vehicle drove in the winter, il y a de fortes chances qu’il soit more or less rusty. Well, when we talk about rust, there is rust ... and rust. We let you see that in image ...
Well now you understand better the problem? And no, we did not go far to take these pictures, it's quite common, even for fairly new vehicles. Fortunately, if you are looking for a fitted van, il y a quand même de bonnes chances pour qu’il ait été stored in winter and that'he did not put the wheels in the snow.
This is not an absolute rule but usually they are not used in winter and so there is less likely they will be attacked. Of course, the older the van, the greater the risk.
Convinced? The black dots are the wheel arches, the crates, the door sills and the steps. If the vehicle has been repainted, we advise you to watch more in depth and especially below, the chassis. It's quick to make misery cache and if you do not want to end up with a van that holds by the paint is better.
Search so rather priority ads that specify "Never rolled the winter"If nothing is noted, ask the seller about rust.
Bon ! Passons aux points suivants. Le fait qu’il n’y est no mandatory technical inspection in Quebec means that there is rarely preventative maintenance That has been done. We do not want to generalize, but still a little ... It's less obvious when it comes to a fitted van because they are used to go on weekends or holidays and therefore more pampered.
For example, it is common to see that only one damper has been changed! Basically, it was completely HS and the seller did not bother to change the latter ... Try to avoid this kind of ads. Generally it means that the periodic maintenance (emptying, filter change, etc ...), has not been done correctly.
Also watch out for ads with photos of "ten years ago", or with pictures of another vehicle, etc ... A good clue sometimes is when you see an ad with props that are present on one photo but not on the other, photos taken in winter while we are in summer, in short be attentive ... Always ask for recent photos.
Some sellers are quite elusive about what has been done, what is to be done and they tend to "minimize problems" (here again do not generalize and we remind it the winters are not the same in Canada, the state of the roads either, so the level of requirement is necessarily different). We are still talking here of course about our personal experience ...
From there you will say: "Oops but there is not much choice then ?! ". Yes. Kind of, between rust and bad maintenance, hard to find the rare pearl. It sometimes takes fetch far. If you find a van whose owner has kept all the bills, it's a good sign!
Le véhicule tant désiré n’est donc pas forcément à côté et quand on achète on a pas envie de ce déplacer pour rien surtout quand c’est à 300kms, croyez nous, on a donné… et pas qu’une fois… Alors follow these tips and you will already have less chance to move for nothing! In any case, NEVER buy a vehicle without seeing it! Do not even make a down payment to block the sale.
We give you these advice especially for Quebec and Canada. Of course as when you buy a car, anywhere in the world, do not neglect the road test and the classic inspection tour!
- Quelques fois vous verrez des annonces où il est inscrit « Inspection mécanique passée/récente ». Et là vous vous dites, « mais ils viennent de dire qu’il n’y avait pas de contrôle technique ?! ». C’est bien vous avez suivi ! Mais il y a des exceptions. Si tel est le cas, demandez bien la raison de l’inspection mécanique et le rapport qui vous permettra de vous rendre compte plus facilement de l’état général . Un véhicule doit passer une inspection par exemple : si il n’a pas été plaqué depuis plus d’un an (comprendre qu’il n’a pas roulé, qu’il était remisé), si il a été gravement accidenté et réparé, s’il arrive d’une autre province.
- Often vendors practice first-come, first-served. Be careful to return a message or call before moving.
- Take a local phone number if you need to make calls. Sometimes we will not answer you by seeing your French number appear.
- Négociez ! Tout est négociable. Parfois si le vendeur ne veut pas baisser le prix (et que c’est justifié par l’état), vous pourrez très certainement négocier des accessoires (porte-vélo,…).
On a vu précédemment sur quels sites internet aller chercher son van et surtout les points importants à ne pas négliger.
In this part, we will now explain how to transfer ownership of a vehicle in Caribou country, and more precisely among our cousins in Quebec. And yes, we tell you again, each province has its own rules, so we'll talk to you about our experience in Quebec! But know that the approach is a few details, identical in other Canadian provinces.
We told you again and again, there is no mandatory technical control to make a sale or papers to fill (in Quebec). Once you have concluded the deal with an individual, you just have to go with the seller in an office of the "Société de l'Assurance Automobile du Québec" (be careful with the mandatory vehicle insurance) more commonly called the SAAQ in order to make the transfer of ownership. If the owner can not move, it exists a form of proxy available on the SAAQ website.
Once there, this is where ça peut un peu se corser si, comme nous, vous êtes résidents étrangers with a tourist visa.
It is necessary specify to the person at the counter of to make a file of "non-resident" otherwise he / she can spend a moment looking for the right boxes, or tell you that it is impossible ... For that, it will be necessary to bring you your French and International driving license as well as your passport. Indeed, it is the address that appears on the latter which will be taken into account in the file. So be careful before leaving that your address is up to date otherwise it will cause you some problems later ...
If you want register a second owner (spouse, friend) this does not pose no problemit is also sufficient to point out that the address entered in the file will be that of the "main" owner.
Then you will be asked how much you bought the vehicle. This information is crucial for the SAAQ to calculate the tax you will pay (only once) the QST (around 10% of the total amount of the sale).
Unlike France where the price to make the registration is based on the number of tax horses and the department in which you live, here is the selling price that counts ...
So there, offers itself to you two possibilities si le véhicule a plus de 10 ans : give the real selling price and pay the high price or grant you in advance with the seller for indicate a lower price and pay less tax, (but that's not good;)). Stay a little coherent ... If the vehicle under 10 years the tax will be calculated from the "red book", a kind of Argus.
But, there is a but… if the vehicle is older than 25 (hello I just bought an old combi ...), an expert appraiser will be required otherwise it is impossible to transfer ownership ... (for having lived it believe us it's not funny, we lost 3 days because of that because the seller was not aware ...). Make sure the seller has this paper in his possession!
Once the file is completed, the person the SAAQ will also ask you to pay the annual fee: the payment of the plaque.
And yes, every vehicle traveling in Canada must pay for it (the equivalent of our old sticker for those who remember it). It is payable on January 1st for the coming year and each year.
Of course, at the time of purchase you will pay pro rata of the remaining months for the current year.
This may seem exaggerated at first, but it includes some sort of liability insurance.
Attention, plan some liquid (cash as they say here) because French bank cards are not accepted!
Bref, après avoir passé un peu plus de temps qu’en règle générale parce que vous avez une adresse à l’étranger (bah oui, c’est pas tous les jours que ça arrive dans les bureaux de la SAAQ), que vous vous êtes délesté de plusieurs centaines de dollars (heureusement Canadiens, ça fait moins mal), we will give you your papers directly for the current year and especially the famous license plate (only one to pose in the back). With a little luck you will even have the right to choose between the few plates available at the counter where you are 🙂
Dans le cas où vous posséderiez un visa de travail, un PVT, etc… les démarches seront quasiment les mêmes sauf que vous pourrez alors faire un dossier standard comme tout Québécois puisque vous êtes censés avoir une adresse sur place et avoir échangé votre permis pour un permis de la province.
Know that you will receive each year the request for payment of the tax in France. So if you are out of Quebec at the beginning of the year, make sure to open your mail to have the necessary information to pay online. If you are in Quebec, you can go to the SAAQ office of your choice for pay the tax directly and have your new certificate.
Here, you are the proud owner of a vehicle in Quebec! Good road ! Do not forget the insurance, but that's another story:
Know that in Canada you can store your vehicle (they usually do it for the winter period). If you do not use it for an extended period, you can go to the SAAQ website to report it. You will then be refunded part of the annual tax since you will not ride. Attention, once again the refund will be sent to the address of the file by check and of course in Canadian dollars! It's also the same principle for insurance. Be careful though, if you store your vehicle for more than a year with the SAAQ, you will have to do a "mechanical inspection" (technical inspection) to put it back into circulation (about 120 $ CA). Be careful not to exceed the date, even to de-discount (and pay the annual fee) and then re-store (and be refunded the annual fee), to avoid wasting time and especially money ...
EDIT: As we post this article we also bought our new house on wheels: the Airstream. If you read the article of presentation, you already know that we have it recovered in Ontario. We will explain to you steps to follow when we buy a vehicle in another province of Canada and that we wish register it in Quebec :
After concluding the deal with the seller he will have to ask him to you make a bill of sale with the date, the serial number and the amount where you buy the vehicle.
It will then imperative to go with him to an office in the province in question. Over there at the licensing office, you will explain (with your finest English of the coup, or if the seller and friendly it will do it for you), that you will have the vehicle plated in Quebec. The person in the office will then record the request and make a transfer file with a temporary registration.
In Ontario, you will pay this approach around $ 20 CAD. That's it for here, you're going to have a temporary plate (usually 10 days), which will allow you to return to Quebec. In these ten days, you are going to have to do do a mechanical inspection of the vehicle (CA $ 120 even if it's a trailer like us). Just make an appointment at an authorized center and go there on the day. If everything is ok, you will have your sesame, otherwise it will perform the repairs requested and return to inspection. Why this inspection? Because even though you are in Canada, it's as if the vehicle was imported even if it's from one province to another ...
Once this famous inspection in your pocket you can go to the SAAQ with all documents (temporary plate, transfer paper from previous province, mechanical inspection, passport, driver's license) and the approach will be the same as before ...
We will tell you a little later how did the search for "Popo" go for us. You will laugh well!